Showing posts with label Public Opinion. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Public Opinion. Show all posts

Friday, January 17, 2020

Three Books: A Summary of a Doctors for America Session held at the National Leadership Conference

Three Books: A Summary of a Doctors for America Session held at the National Leadership Conference on November 9, 2019


I recently did a workshop session at the Doctors for America National Leadership Conference in Baltimore. The session was titled Prospect Theory, Medical Industrial Complex and Social Justice in Health Care: 3 Important Books. I have recently had the opportunity to be able to devote some time to thinking about healthcare reform in general, and the distressing lack of progress toward universal healthcare in America spanning my entire career and beyond.

I came across the late Uwe Reinhardt's last book, Priced Out, which was a summary of his life's work: the ludicrousness of America's Healthcare Wonderland, as he calls it, and the ineffectiveness of any moral arguments to persuade the American political class to move towards universal healthcare. I had the opportunity to exchange a few emails with Prof. Reinhardt about 5 years ago. At that time, he seemed quite pessimistic about the opportunity of America moving forward. In his book, however, his life partner, Prof. Cheng, in her epilogue, makes it clear that he remained optimistic about America's chances for universal healthcare. He thought, she said, that we would probably stumble towards it and not actually make a cultural or societal decision, but that we would eventually get there in fits and starts.

Prof. Reinhardt's chief concern is that we never have the moral discussion required to propel us towards a universal healthcare ethic. Without the ethic, he argues, there can be no successful transition to a universal system. He has said that during healthcare debates, we have an incantation, "’we all want the same thing; we merely disagree on how best to get there.’ That is rubbish.”
He is right. We do not agree. We agree on the left that universal healthcare is an imperative, and those on the right agree that healthcare is a market commodity and should be treated like any other good or service. Of course, progress is made by convincing enough people in the middle that one's policy proposals or political arguments are worthy of implementation. One need not win over everyone. Medicare, Social Security, civil rights, and so much of America's progress in the past century was not unanimous. Given the opportunity, many conservatives would still reverse the New Deal, the Great Society, and of course, the Affordable Care Act.

Progressives have failed to win the moral and political arguments in favor of universal healthcare. As Wendell Potter has pointed out, the methodology of the entrenched and well-funded interests opposing progress are simple: fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Simple and devastatingly effective.

The Undoing Project: A Friendship That Changed Our Minds by Michael Lewis holds many of the answers as to why it is so effective. The book tells the story of the two psychologists who developed Prospect Theory. Prospect Theory was the basis of what we now call behavioral economics. It is the exploration of why we make the decisions we make. It is about why we make the irrational decisions that we make.

Briefly, our brains are fooled in a variety of manners. We have fast, intuitive thinking. This thinking is swayed by a variety of biases. Gains and losses are perceived from specific reference points. The fear of loss, risk aversion, is far more powerful than the lure of gain. Things that come to our mind easily, either through recency or frequency (availability) greatly impact our decision-making. The fast, intuitive mind is influenced heavily by these biases. And unfortunately, the fast, intuitive mind is very confident.

Our more logical, slow thinking brain is analytic. It is also unsure of itself because of its self-critical analysis. That is why a plausible and emotionally resonant feeling, as Mark Twain might say, is halfway around the world before a detailed policy proposal gets its pants on. Or, as Stephen Colbert might say, truthiness works.

There are many lessons to be gained from Prospect Theory, but the key insight from Daniel Kahneman is that “We don’t choose between things, we choose between descriptions of things.”

After reading The Undoing Project I was somewhat optimistic and excited about the possibility of using some of these techniques to combat the campaign of fear and uncertainty and doubt that is awaiting us as we march into an election year with healthcare reform as a major point of contention.

Unfortunately, I then read An American Sickness: How Healthcare Became Big Business and How You Can Take It Back, by Elisabeth Rosenthal. Dr. Rosenthal provides a discouragingly comprehensive evaluation of the medical industrial complex and how it has come to dominate every aspect of the provision of healthcare. The chapters catalog the breadth: health insurance plans, hospitals, physicians, the pharmaceutical industry, the medical device industry, testing, laboratory, and all other manner of ancillary services, contractors, billers, coders, collections agency, researchers, not-for-profit organizations, and of course the rise of the massive healthcare conglomerates, euphemistically known as “integrated delivery systems.”

As Don Berwick recently wrote, there is $1 trillion of waste in the healthcare system. And one man’s waste is another man’s revenue. Dr. Rosenthal details all that waste and in doing so, lays down the markers on the battlefield. One side is well-funded and is fighting for its very existence. Or at least fighting for the very upscale version of its current existence, and desperate to avoid a comparatively spartan OECD-like existence.

As Upton Sinclair once said, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends upon his not understanding it." As Wendell Potter more recently said,Health insurers have been successful at two things, making money and getting the American people to believe they’re essential.”

I finished my remarks, and opened up the floor for discussion. We spent a fair amount of time reviewing the concepts above. I specifically asked for help in developing framing and arguments that might help us in our advocacy work. Several themes emerged, and I have highlighted them here.

1.    Talk about the moral case for health care. We discussed the deserving-undeserving framing, the puritanical streak in American politics, and the fear of others "getting over on us." I told the story of having gone to a progressive conference after the 2018 election. I had the opportunity to hear from four progressive candidates who lost their races in conservative districts. All four of these candidates said they were surprised that so many of the conservative voters were afraid, almost exactly as I had phrased it to you, of having others ‘get over on them.” That these others would get free healthcare when they were going to have to pay for it, for “those people” to be freeloaders that they would have to subsidize, etc.
2.    Talk about work arounds and hassles. I pointed out that the second half of Dr. Rosenthal’s book was a guide for those who are trying to deal with the Wonderland of American healthcare. While quite useful in the here and now, it amounts to a series of workarounds of the system as it exists. Useful, to be sure, but it is not a prescription for ending the need for workarounds. As Teresa Brown recently put it in a New York Times piece, American healthcare system is one giant workaround.
3.    Talk about student debt, medical school tuition and physician income. We had a discussion about the rabbit holes, as I call them, of excruciatingly detailed policy points surrounding any healthcare reform. As Uwe notes, whenever this happens, we then engage in protracted and useless arguments over the value of quarter hour of an anesthesiologist time, or other some such parochial detail of concern. It was pointed out that these concerns arise out of the value of medical school education and residency training, the heady medical school costs and student debt, as well as physician income. The group argued to take these issues head-on. Have a discussion about subsidizing medical school and have a discussion about the relative value of the various specialties. Have a discussion about work hours and on-call time, medical liability, and the many other practical issues moving towards universal healthcare system.
4.    Talk about price control and administrative simplification. There is no love lost between physicians and the rest of the healthcare industry. There is also no love lost between consumers of healthcare services and the healthcare industry. The group felt that it was well worthwhile to point to alternative methods of controlling costs in the healthcare system. We discussed Prof. Reinhardt’s maxim that “It’s the prices, stupid!” We discussed the unconscionable waste of time and money spent dealing with health plans, from in-hospital utilization management to outpatient prior authorization for everything from procedures to medicines to wheelchairs. These issues potentially put us on the same side with the public and politicians.


While driving home from the conference, I began listening to Daniel Ariely’s Predictably Irrational. Prof. Ariely spends a significant amount of time discussing the difference between market norms and social norms. The way we behave around wages, prices, rents, and other payments are our market norms. The way we behave around doing each other favors, helping one another and other activities that do not involve financial exchanges, are our social norms. He provides many examples showing that things one might do unhesitatingly under the structure of social norms, are out of bounds under market norms. For example, lawyers asked to do work for a nonprofit company at a very low rate reject the proposal. Lawyers asked to do pro bono work readily agree. Injecting finance into a situation that normally operates on social norms profoundly alters the perception.

It occurs to me that this is at the center of Prof. Reinhardt’s assertion in his book. We will endlessly and vociferously debate on the number of and reimbursement for, angels dancing on the head of a pin, and always avoid the underlying discussion of whether we, as Americans should be the keepers of our less fortunate brothers and sisters for their healthcare needs.

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Sunday, March 2, 2014

Even Critics of Safety Net Increasingly Depend on It - NYTimes.com

It speaks for itself…

LINDSTROM, Minn. — Ki Gulbranson owns a logo apparel shop, deals in jewelry on the side and referees youth soccer games. He makes about $39,000 a year and wants you to know that he does not need any help from the federal government.

He says that too many Americans lean on taxpayers rather than living within their means. He supports politicians who promise to cut government spending. In 2010, he printed T-shirts for the Tea Party campaign of a neighbor, Chip Cravaack, who ousted this region’s long-serving Democratic congressman.

Yet this year, as in each of the past three years, Mr. Gulbranson, 57, is counting on a payment of several thousand dollars from the federal government, a subsidy for working families called the earned-income tax credit. He has signed up his three school-age children to eat free breakfast and lunch at federal expense. And Medicare paid for his mother, 88, to have hip surgery twice.

Even Critics of Safety Net Increasingly Depend on It - NYTimes.com

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Wednesday, May 22, 2013

Public in Deep South supports expanding Medicaid, poll finds, but lawmakers don’t - KansasCity.com


WASHINGTON — Even though governors and lawmakers in five Deep South states oppose a plan to cover more people through Medicaid under the health care overhaul, 62 percent of the people in Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi and South Carolina support expanding the program, according to a new poll.
The level of support for expanding Medicaid – the state and federal health insurance program for the poor and disabled – ranged from a low of 59 percent in Mississippi to a high of 65 percent in South Carolina, according to the poll by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, a leading research and public policy think tank that focuses on African-Americans and other people of color.
Brian Smedley, director of the center’s health policy institute, said the findings show that lawmakers who are blocking Medicaid expansion in the five states are “out of step with their constituents.”
Public in Deep South supports expanding Medicaid, poll finds, but lawmakers don’t - KansasCity.com

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Monday, September 28, 2009

Altmire on Public Option

This is from Firedoglake

List of Blue Dogs who have expressed support for a public option (with Nate Silver's estimate of district support/opposition in parenthesis):

1. Jason Altmire: (35-53)

Signed HCAN principles

July 17: Voted 'no' as a member of the Health & Labor Committee against 3200 because of wealth surtax.

September 11: 'I - I'm speaking for myself, I think that the public option may, if it's done correctly may be a part of the package and could play a role. As Congresswoman Woolsey described, it would have to airtight, completely self-sustaining, not funded through taxpayer subsidies, and have to meet all the same insurance regulations. So, I don't think that is the sticking point for the Blue Dogs and the moderate members. I think what we are most concerned about is we have to do this in a fiscally responsible way.'

September 22: 'Altmire's chief complaint about his own chamber's bill was the inclusion of a surtax on the wealthy. But he said he didn't expect that provision to make it through, and he signaled that excluding it would allow him to vote for the final bill.'

It looks like we in Western PA have some work to do in getting Altmire's district turned around. Those are abysmal numbers of support for the Public Option.

Sounds like a job for Doctors for America.

If you would like a doctor to come speak in Mr. Altmire's district, please let me know and I will do it or find someone who will!

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Monday, August 3, 2009

HEALTH REFORM: Poll Shows Hopes, Not Just Fears for Reform | New America Blogs


HEALTH REFORM: Poll Shows Hopes, Not Just Fears for Reform New America Blogs:



The poll doesn't indicate that Americans would prefer not to have health reform. In fact, the data shows just the opposite. When asked what they though would happen if 'the government did NOT create a system of providing health care for all Americans,' a solid majority of people were 'very' or 'somewhat' concerned that the number of uninsured people in the U.S. would keep increasing, that they themselves might be uninsured at some point and that the cost of their own health care would go up.



To us, the poll doesn't indicate support is falling apart for health reform -- it does mean that uncertainty is on the rise. This is understandable, as a lot of details are still being hashed out and even members of Congress have difficulty quickly grasping all the complexities of the policy options being discussed right now. That's why it will be important for advocates of reform, including the President, to explain it clearly (and repeatedly) in the coming weeks. Shift the focus from the scary unknown to the known -- that the current system is broken, and it's time to fix it. Because there's a lot in it for all of us.

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Friday, July 3, 2009

In Poll, Wide Support for Government-Run Health - NYTimes.com

In Poll, Wide Support for Government-Run Health - NYTimes.com:

"Across a number of questions, the poll detected substantial support for a greater government role in health care, a position generally identified with the Democratic Party. When asked which party was more likely to improve health care, only 18 percent of respondents said the Republicans, compared with 57 percent who picked the Democrats. Even one of four Republicans said the Democrats would do better."

Complete Polling Results here.

Check this out: a total of 85% said health care needed either completely rebuilt or fundamental change. And 86% think health care costs are a very or somewhat serious economic issue.

OTOH, 77% are generally satisfied with the health care they personally receive, but 94% recognize that people not having insurance is a very or somewhat serious problem. there is hope!

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Thursday, July 2, 2009

Data Note: Footing the Bill - Kaiser Family Foundation

Data Note: Footing the Bill - Kaiser Family Foundation:

"This brief data note looks at the raft of polls recently released on the public’s willingness to pay for an expansion of coverage to their fellow citizens. It compares and contrasts findings on Americans’ general inclinations on the topic, and also revisits recent findings on specific revenue raising proposals."

The file is here: Data Note (.pdf)

Kaiser does all of us a great service by doing the hard work of keeping track of and advancing our knowledgebase on health care, so my comments don't reflect on them, but...

Thanks for putting together the Data Note on polling.

I find it tremendously frustrating that the questions are asked by organizations in the manner that they are.

The question should never be "would you support raising taxes to cover the uninsured," the question should be, ""if your wages increased to reflect your employer no longer paying for your health insurance, would you be willing to pay more taxes to cover the uninsured" or, to those without insurance or buying their own, "if you could be covered by a national health insurance plan, would you be willing to pay higher taxes," or questions like that.

I note in your last section, you point to people believing that this could be done without spending any extra money. This is true, if we adopted a German style Social Health Insurance model or French style single payer model. So, these people are not being foolish, they perhaps just see the tremendous amount of waste in the system and know that if we did things efficiently we would not have to pay more (and I would add, we wouldn't have to pay more after we got through the transition period that would be required).

So I would like to see some organizations asking questions premised on wholesale reform - transformation to a German or French model - rather than continuing to be asked questions premised on rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

"If, rather than minor health care reform, the US adopted a system like Germany's or Frances, with high quality health care for all, no waiting times, and no danger of losing insurance or going bankrupt due to health care costs, would you be willing to pay higher taxes?"

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Wednesday, May 27, 2009

Missoulian: Single-payer mentions draw cheers at Baucus-sponsored health care talk

Missoulian: Single-payer mentions draw cheers at Baucus-sponsored health care talk

The hearing ranged broadly over the possibilities for reform, but what clearly resonated for McArthur was something Baucus' chief of staff, Jon Selib, said a couple of times.

Discussing why a single-payer system of health insurance wasn't viable, Selib made reference to the more than 150 million Americans who are covered by some sort of employer-provided health care.

“A lot of people like that,” Selib said.

When the time came for questions, McArthur stood up and asked a simple question. Looking across a standing-room-only crowd of about 275, he asked how many were happy with their employer-based health insurance.Less than 10 people raised their hands.

“The number is bogus,” McArthur said. “It's not working for 95 percent of us.” McArthur drew resounding applause.

In fact, any mention of single-payer health care insurance brought raucous cheers and clapping.

Any other solution to health care reform - including Baucus' “balanced” plan that would create a mix of public and private plans - was received more coolly.

Tuesday's session was one of a handful of events Baucus is sponsoring around the state this week. He chairs the Senate's powerful Finance Committee, and is the point man on health care reform.

He did not attend Tuesday's meeting, but Selib did, and he heard what the senator himself has heard since he announced that single-payer wasn't really on the table.

As Selib worked to massage that point, one man barked out, “Oh bull----.”

Tom Roberts, president of the Western Montana Clinic and moderator at the session, asked the crowd to be civil, but the man had made his point.

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Thursday, May 14, 2009

Public Opinion on Health Policy

Health Policy Public Opinion Data Aggregation: h/t to Blue Texan at FDL for pointing me to this, thanks to www.pollingreport.com for putting it together!

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll.
Feb. 18-19, 2009. N=1,046 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3

"In general, would you favor or oppose a program that would increase the federal government's influence over the country's health care system in an attempt to lower costs and provide health care coverage to more Americans?"


Favor Oppose Unsure
2/18-19/09 72% 27% 1%


CBS News/New York Times Poll
Jan. 11-15, 2009. N=1,112 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3

"Should the government in Washington provide national health insurance, or is this something that should be left only to private enterprise?"


Government Private Enterprise Unsure
1/11-15/09 59% 32% 9%
1/79 40% 48% 12%


Quinnipiac University Poll.
Nov. 6-10, 2008. N=2,210 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 2.1 (for all registered voters).

"Do you think it's the government's responsibility to make sure that everyone in the United States has adequate health care, or don't you think so?"


Think It Is Don't Think So Unsure
11/6-10/08 60% 36% 4%
Republicans 34% 63% 3%
Democrats 84% 12% 4%
Independents 56% 39% 5%
5/8-12/08 61% 35% 4%
10/23-29/07 57% 38% 5%
2/13-19/07 64% 31% 4%


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Tuesday, March 3, 2009

Poll: Obama Gets Strong Support -Health care nugget.

Poll: Obama Gets Strong Support - WSJ.com:

"On health care, the poll flashed warning signs for the administration.

"Forty-nine percent said they were willing to pay higher taxes so that everyone can have health insurance, compared with 66% who said the same in March 1993, when President Bill Clinton was embarking on his ultimately unsuccessful health-reform effort. That underscores why the administration is focused on cutting costs, not covering the uninsured."

My take is twofold. First, Americans are paying such a large percentage of household income on health care now, 17% according to Len Nichols at New America, that perhaps they can't imagine paying more than 17%. I often wonder how people think about this question: Do they think, "Hmm, would I be willing to pay my 17% AND more in taxes" and answer "No," or do they think, "Hmm, the 17% of my income that goes to health care and my taxes go up some uncertain amount," and answer "Yes?" (Or maybe they answer "no," too.)

Or, perhaps they are picking up on the conversations we are having in the health care reform debate and take us at our word. That is, many of us routinely point out that if we truly reform health care, we should eventually be able to spend less overall. If we are right, perhaps consumers are beginning to catch on and realize we might actually end up spending less in the long run and they shouldn't be expected to pay more of our GDP on health care.

But that would require a lot of average people paying quite a bit of attention...

I can dream, can't I?

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Saturday, February 14, 2009

Poll Shows Strong Support for Obama Health Care Reforms - US News and World Report

Poll Shows Strong Support for Obama Health Care Reforms - US News and World Report:

"The poll shows that as Americans learn more about Obama's anticipated reforms, they seem better able to make up their mind about them -- either pro or con. For example, 62 percent of those surveyed who said they knew 'a lot' about the new president's ideas expressed support for the initiatives, with 36 percent opposed and only 2 percent saying they were 'not sure.' Among those who said they knew nothing about the Obama proposals, 66 percent remained unsure, 23 percent were supportive, and 11 percent opposed.

"Some other key findings:

"A majority of respondents said the reforms, if carried out, would improve the health care system. Sixty-one percent felt reforms would deliver adequate health insurance to more people, and 54 percent thought health care would be made more cost effective. But a fifth of respondents thought the changes would make the quality of medical care worse, not better.

"Support for the proposals did not vary significantly based on income. Fifty percent of people making between $15,000 and $25,000 annually approved of the Obama plan, compared to 51 percent of those making $50,000 or more. But the gap widened as respondents looked at specific issues, such as the plan's ability to boost the quality of care or strengthen the economy.

"Predictably, support split along party lines, with three-quarters of Democrats supporting Obama's overall plan, compared to 26 percent of Republicans. Many Republicans appeared to favor specific elements of the plan, however. For example, 70 percent supported the notion of having Medicare negotiate drug prices, and more than half (53 percent) agreed with offering subsidies to low-income families to ensure universal health coverage"

The full report is here.

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Friday, August 29, 2008

Physicians, health, burnout | Salon

Physicians, health, burnout Salon:

"I'm tired. Really tired. I've been seeing patients continuously -- one every 15 minutes -- for five and sometimes six days a week. The pace is nothing new for me or most primary care doctors. But lately it all feels like a game of Jenga, with patients stacked on top of one another like wooden blocks, ready to come tumbling down."

I'm posting this, not so much for the article itself (about physician burnout), but for the responses/letters. To all doctors, read the letters by clicking "Editor's Choice" first, so you don't get too angry or depressed. Then read all the letters.

I just found it very interesting both the animosity and admiration physicians generate among the public. And another common thread is that the public seems to understand that we, too, are entrapped in a lousy system -- but also wonder, then, why we aren't getting the AMA to finally back serious reform.


Cheers,

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Friday, August 8, 2008

Public Views on U.S. Health System Organization: A Call for New Directions

Public Views on U.S. Health System Organization: A Call for New Directions:

"Overview

On behalf of The Commonwealth Fund Commission on a High Performance Health System, Harris Interactive surveyed a random sample of 1,004 U.S. adults (age 18 and older) to determine their experiences and perspectives on the organization of the nation's health care system and ways to improve patient care. Eight of 10 respondents agreed that the health system needs either fundamental change or complete rebuilding. Adults' health care experiences underscore the need to organize care systems to ensure timely access, better coordination, and better flow of information among doctors and patients. There is also a need to simplify health insurance administration. There was broad agreement among survey respondents that wider use of health information systems and greater care coordination could improve patient care. The majority of adults say it is very important for the 2008 presidential candidates to seek reforms to address health care quality, access, and costs."

Click on the link to dig into the details...

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Tuesday, May 27, 2008

AMNews: June 2, 2008. Individual health insurance: Are mandates ready for prime time? ... American Medical News

AMNews: June 2, 2008. Individual health insurance: Are mandates ready for prime time? ... American Medical News:

"Last fall, Laura Allen didn't think Massachusetts' law requiring everyone to have health insurance would affect her life. She had a customer service job at a rubber stamp company that provided coverage.

But then the 42-year-old Easton, Mass., resident was told she would be laid off before the end of the year. And the new state law imposed a $200 tax penalty on anyone uninsured on Dec. 31, 2007."

An overview of mandated insurance coverage from Massachusetts to California to the Federal proposal.

But scrolll way down for the public opinion table showing 68% support for mandated insurance:

"The majority of Americans favor the concept of requiring everyone to have health insurance, with government help for those who can't afford it, according to a June-October 2007 poll of 3,500 adults.
Strongly favor 40%
Somewhat favor 28%
Somewhat oppose 12%
Strongly oppose 13%
Don't know/refused to answer 7%

Source: Commonwealth Fund Biennial Health Insurance Survey"

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Tuesday, March 25, 2008

Most Republicans Think the U.S. Health Care System is the Best in the World. Democrats Disagree. - March 20, 2008 -2008 Releases - Press Releases - Harvard School of Public Health

Most Republicans Think the U.S. Health Care System is the Best in the World. Democrats Disagree. - March 20, 2008 -2008 Releases - Press Releases - Harvard School of Public Health:

"A recent survey by the Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and Harris Interactive, as part of their ongoing series, Debating Health: Election 2008, finds that Americans are generally split on the issue of whether the United States has the best health care system in the world (45% believe the U.S. has the best system; 39% believe other countries have better systems; 15% don't know or refused to answer) and that there is a significant divide along party lines. Nearly seven-in-ten Republicans (68%) believe the U.S. health care system is the best in the world, compared to just three in ten (32%) Democrats and four in ten (40%) Independents who feel the same way."

The survey results are here.

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Monday, March 10, 2008

Washington State Results — Code Blue Now!

Washington State Results — Code Blue Now!:

"In December 2007, CodeBlueNow! worked with The Gilmore Research Group, a Northwest market research firm, to conduct a phone survey, known as the CodeBlueNow! Pulse®. The CodeBlueNow! Pulse® is intended to gauge the public's views about priorities in health care reform. CodeBlueNow! intends to use this data to give voice to citizen's values and ideas on health care reform."

I haven't had time to digest all of this. There are both a full report, an executive summary and links to Iowa results on this page.

Just glancing though, I don't find anything to surprising, though I think some of the results reflect a lack of knowledge of the current system and options by the particpants. For example, asking about "government run healthcare" is so loaded as to beg for an uninformed answer. Perhaps they phrased it better in the telephone scripit, I don't know. But even so, most people at least recognize how dysfunctional our system is, but possibly don't appreciate the possibilities and options that could be accomplished with some strong national leadership.

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