Single Payer Debate at Duquesne U, 3/10/08

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(The link above takes you to the details of the event.)

I attended the debate last night among Dr. Scott Tyson and Gariel Silverman, arguing the single payer case, and Sue Blevins and Nameed Esmail, arguing against at Duquesne University last night. First, props to Duquesne: Great venue in the Power Center, easy parking, nice facility all around. And props to both groups for getting attendance to a surprisingly high level (over 200, I'd guess). Pro-single payer were in the majority, I'd guess, by a significant amount.

I'll cut to the chase: Jerry Bowyer, moderator, at the end of the evening, asked if the discussion had changed anyone from their pro or anti single payer or undecided camps, and only a handful of hands went up. Sigh. But, not, of course, unexpected.

To those of us who are familiar with the issues and arguments for and against single payer, and familiar with the players (esp. Mr. Esmail's Fraser Institute), there were not many surprises. My most pleasant surprise was Dr. Tyson's excellent performance. Powerful, personal and passionate, Dr. Tyson did a very good job of making the moral, practical and economic case.

As my bias is obvious, I won't pretend to disguise it. I found the same old arguments from the status quo/free market/every man for himself side very tiresome indeed. I'll just toss out a few "highlights."

Single Payer advocates see Canada as a Panacea solution for America's woes. I don't know of any, but it somehow forces single payer advocates into the silly position of defending Canada's system, even though it is not the one we would emulate. From now on, we should respond to the Canada graphics with ones comparing us to Germany, France, Belgium, Japan, or almost anyone, and leave Fraser to shit on their own country as they seem wont to do. Heaven forbid they offer constructive solutions. And by this, I mean ones that at least 30 or 40% of the Canadian population would at least consider.

Showing a spending chart showing Canada at the high end of spending on healthcare compared to the rest of the world, and omitting the US, cause we're so off the charts as to make the chart look laughable.

Arguing that taxation sufficient to pay for healthcare would strangle economic growth. This is just too brain-dead to answer, especially sitting in a country that spends 16.5% of its GDP on healthcare. And especially from an economist who said, specifically, that there is no "government money" only our money in government's hands.

Waiting times in Canada are intolerable and/or deadly. Please click here.

$32 Billion in Medicare fraud annually is an outrage and a scandal. I don't know the source or veracity of this figure, but the 2006 Medicare expenditures were $408 billion, meaning 92% of the money gets where it's supposed to, which needs work, but isn't awful. And the suggestion that I think Ms. Blevins made was that she preferred private insurer's solution: deny care first, and then sort out who was trying to scam you, rather than covering claims in good faith and then going after the perps. I'm all for getting the perps, but not until I've made sure the patients are taken care of first. Silly me.

Patients in Canada often have to wait 10 or 12 hours to get a hospital bed when admitted through the ER. Imagine our shock. (He did know Pittsburgh was in America, right?)

Veterans Administration hospitals are horrible places. Dr. Tyson did try to set Ms. Blevins right on this one, though I think she didn't believe him.

You cannot pay for treatment in Pennsylvania outside of your contract with your health insurer.
This one got my attention. I hope somebody will post a comment for me about it, because I'd never heard this before, and it seems exceedingly odd.

The usual "anecdote-off," for which I'll just refer you to our special section.

I was pleased to see Mr. Esmail's praise of other systems, particularly those of Switzerland, Japan, France, Sweden, Germany and some others. He rightly pointed out that the old PNHP proposal, from 1993, was fairly beholden to the Canadian model, but there are newer proposals from PNHP, and besides, they are not the only proposals out there. As has been often pointed out by our side, and always ignored by theirs, we need a uniquely American system, pulling from the best of all other extant systems. Though Mr. Esmail did seem gratified to sear Dr. Tyson say this, I doubt it was the first time he heard it. (You don't suppose he didn't watch Sicko, even as an academic exercise?) Oh, and Esmail even admitted we were rubbish for Mental Health care, too.

Oh, and a personal shout out to Scott Tyson for his wonderfully dismissive treatment of HSAs. Made me chuckle and even snort a bit!

OK, folks, that's all I can remember at this late hour, but please add your comments to remind me of things I forgot to mention....

Cheers,

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